Long Live Frank Fixaris!

Anyone know Ryan..he has kept his word and hasn't called since...maybe the Axe should take that advice.

well, maybe the reason that no intelligent yankee fans call is because shoe will use the opportunity to disrespect them and mock them as soon as they are off the phone. are you trying to say there are no intelligent yankee fans in wjab's listening area? let's face it: there is no doubt that shoe relishes the fact that his two most prolific yankee callers happen to be a couple of idiots. yes, i do listen to shoe's show every morning just as i listen to danks every afternoon. it doesn't mean i have to like shoe or think much of his takes on things. to me his baiting would be much more effective if it had any substance or intelligence to it. danks is a sox fan but he's not obnoxious and moronic about it.

I guess you have never heard WFAN or WEEI, Shoe doesn't do anything different then either of those station for Yanks fans in the case of WEEI or Sox fans in WFAN case. Honest question, why if you find the things so unpleasent, do you listen?

um, because its my local sports talk morning show. its not like i am saying the show sucks or anything. i enjoy listening to it. my point was and is simply that it is no coincidence that the two callers most associated with being yankee fans, ryan and the axe, are both a couple of idiots. shoe, as a host, prefers it that way. it makes his life easy. i have listened to the show long enough to know that if any rational reasonably intelligent yankee fan tried to call up shoe and debate his takes with him, shoe would wind up shouting the guy down and mocking him after the call rather than attempt to discuss the merits of the yankees versus the red sox in any kind of a reasonable manner. idiots like ryan and the axe just make it easier for him to do it. there is no motivation for anyone to try to have an intelligent and reasonable yankees red sox discussion with shoe because he is basically incapable of participating in one.

Hey! No one had suffered more than Steelers fans- no one! Think about it.

I disagree with you on this one. I've heard plenty of Yankee fans calling into WEEI and getting treated with the same level of respect as your average Sox fan...it ALL has to do with how the caller presents himself. If he makes rational points and carries himself in a rational and respectful way, he gets treated in a rational and respectful way. I've never heard anyone on EEI get ridiculed or blown up just for being a Yankee fan, they got ridiculed and mocked and blown up for being an idiot. I've even heard plenty of moron Sox fans get taunted, ridiculed and blown up for being idiots. Not saying there aren't cases as you describe, but they are by no means the rule of all sports talk radio, I think they're very much the exception.

Of course, it has everything to do with who the host is. There are hosts on all kinds of stations that do refuse to engage in rational discussion in exchange for inane sniping and mockery. Rather than have a discussion, they resort to blindly attacking that which they don't agree with or want to understand. They don't generally go very far. Basically it's the difference between hanging the caller and allowing him to hang himself. What I'd call the good hosts allow every caller to hang himself if that's what he's going to do, regardless of team affiliation. Ryan from wherever and the Axe...they tend to hang themselves...easy work and easy targets for any host. Jabanga is right. Shoe prefers the idiot callers to the intelligent ones when it comes to any non-Red Sox, non-Patriot, non-Celtic, non-Bruin, non-Pirate, non-local fan support. And he demonstrates a low tolerance for any that do bring rational points to the discussion by cutting them off and mocking them after the call is over.

And I really disagree with the notion that intelligent Yankee fans (callers) don't exist. We've got a handful of them right here among us. They don't call in because who in their right mind would willingly expose themselves to the abuse? Shoe absolutely fosters an environment where it is a waste of time for an intelligent fan of ANY team other than the locals to bother calling in to make a valid point. Hell, I'm a RED SOX fan who doesn't want to call the show for that reason. Sure a segment of the listening audience may get off on listening to Shoe do his thing to callers. Not everyone does, though. That doesn't mean they shouldn't say anything or stop listening because of it. And it doesn't mean those that don't enjoy that portion of the show don't find other aspects that are listenable (interviews, local talk, whatever). To each his own, you know.

Actually, Ryan called in this afternoon. He mentioned how he took a break after making a bad call, and then have the morning show continue to pick on him. His " I'll never call again" lasted a week.
He called and was all excited about the fantasy team he just drafted. I'm sure it was a list draft if it happened during the day on a Thursday. So, he has like 7 Yankee players, he knew nothing about Fukudome or Aaron Rowland, and thought that his team was stacked! Chris told him that his team "sucked"! The next few callers agreed, with one even saying that, "that was the worst 3 minutes I've ever listened to". Ryan got called out badly, ---- again.
Yes, Ryan did call again, but it wasn't the best idea he's ever had!

Well REDHAWK couldn't disagree more. Dale and Holley is the only show on WEEI that engages in non abusive talk. Mikey Adams, Big O and especially the weekend shows do absolutely nothing different.

I'm not going much further but I'll say this..if I don't like what I am hearing on the radio..I change the channel..if I don't like what I see on TV, I change the channel. Talk radio is a personal medium as we are affected by not only content but how the content is delivered..and it seems to me that if some of you guys are so turned off by Shoe's tactics why subject yourself to it. The positives don't don't seem to outweigh the negatives IMO.

just because we listen to the show doesn't mean we have to be 100% supportive of its content. would i enjoy the show more if shoe was interested in engaging in intelligent back and forth with supporters of teams other than the teams he supports? yes. but he isn't, so i listen anyway. do i have any real sports talk alternatives anyway? and what exactly is with this whole wjab "love it or leave it" philosophy? when i am in the car with my daughter i listen to wjbq with her. some of the songs i like, some i don't. does that mean i shouldn't listen to it with her? is there a radio station out there with perfect programming? no. so, you listen to what you enjoy the most. that doesn't mean you have to love everything about it or you forfeit your right to not like what you don't like.

I still really think you fail to see the subtlety here. The hosts on EEI, for the most part, let the idiots do their thing. If a Yankee fan called in with a rational discussion, they'll hear him out, whether it is Ordway, Adams, Sheppard, whoever. I know, I've heard it happen. Weekend shows too. In fact, especially the weekend shows. Have you heard Mustard and Johnson? They let the Yankee fans say their piece, including the idiot callers like Frank from Gloucester or Joey from the North End, without cutting them off or cutting them down. They get mocked for it by the weekday crews, but they are at the very least reciprocating the level of intelligence of the caller, or as I said before, letting them hang themselves with their own words.

I'm certainly not saying that those hosts on EEI don't get abusive with callers, though. My point is that the large majority of callers who get abused bring it on themselves, either by immediately opening themselves up for punishment by saying something moronic, or by being a habitual caller whose very schtick is to be an idiot Yankee fan or an idiot Dolphins fan or whoever. Those guys get abused relentlessly...deservedly so. The difference between what we hear Shoe do and what, let's say, Glen Ordway does, is how they react to the revelation that the caller on the line is a Yankee fan. Shoe rarely engages a Yankee caller in normal conversation, instead resorting to needling him with the same old stereotypical crap then moving to the next caller. Ordway will actually wait to hear the point the fan wants to make before picking him apart or engaging in a conversation. He doesn't pigeon-hole every Yankee caller into the same mold. They're not all Frank from Gloucester to him, whereas listening to Shoe, you get the impression that he believes every Yankee fan is going to mimic the Axe or Ryan. And by doing that, it discourages the callers who could break that mold from even bothering to call.

And please stop with the "if you don't like it, don't listen" mantra. That's like saying I don't like the way Manny Ramirez preens after a home run, so I shouldn't watch the games anymore. I can still enjoy the games and root for the Red Sox even if I don't like Manny Ramirez (I do like him, it's just a hypothetical) and feel compelled to comment on it. It's my perogative. If you don't like reading criticism of Shoe, you can move on, can't you? But you don't because you enjoy the overall experience of coming here and reading/participating in the discussions. Ditto for jabanga and the Morning Jab. Shoe annoys him, but overall he still enjoys listening to the show. Big deal. It's his opinion...it differs from yours...the end, no?

No Problem

[quote="MattLightMaine"]Trust me Ryan is not ridiculed solely on the basis he is a Yankees fan, that call from yesterday should prove that. As for Yankees fans calling...find me one that will talk intelligently...I haven't heard one in a long time. The reason isn't that Shoe doesn't foster those calls, it is because those calls aren't there.quote]

In the words of Austin Powers...

"Ouch, baby, major ouch"

Matty, I don't even consider you a Yankees fan (even though you are), it goes without saying you are a knowledgeable and reasonable caller..you are too versatile to be stuck in the Yanks fan category alone.

Well at least that's settled, lol...